tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post6184840282646569782..comments2024-01-30T11:14:25.598-05:00Comments on Electronic Village: Stick a Fork in Hillary ... She is Done!Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-77219409156984766132008-01-10T03:45:00.000-05:002008-01-10T03:45:00.000-05:00SheCodes - Methinks that Appleby's will win (smile...<B>SheCodes</B> - Methinks that Appleby's will win (smile)! Thanks for sharing your <I>village voice</I> with me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-41777885545920335492008-01-09T23:51:00.000-05:002008-01-09T23:51:00.000-05:00Hey villager,I'm not trying to claim that there is...Hey villager,<BR/><BR/>I'm not trying to claim that there is no such thing as a Bradley effect... what I am saying is that election polling is based on seriously flawed logic -- and it always was.<BR/><BR/>Every single election cycle, pundits get 'shocked and amazed' by how incorrect their projections were of election results.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, but I had to take 4 semesters of statistics in undergrad -- so I pretty much have to laugh when I hear about their 'scientific methods'...<BR/><BR/>Beyond the sampling problems, there is also the pesky fact that <I>the poll in and of itself affects the vote!</I><BR/><BR/>For example, if I am an Obama supporter, and I hear from these 'experts' that he is projected to win by a landslide margin -- and then my boyfriend calls me on election night to go to Appleby's for dinner & I'm starving... what do you think I would do?SheCodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16781431886213930930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-43845709523288594512008-01-09T17:20:00.000-05:002008-01-09T17:20:00.000-05:00SheCodes - The Bradley Effect is real. I understa...<B>SheCodes</B> - The <I>Bradley Effect</I> is real. I understand what you are saying about exit polling. However, there is a whole industry of people in the polling industry. They make their mortgage payments on getting it close to right ... at least within the so-called <I>margin of error</I>. <BR/><BR/>They were wildly wrong in New Hampshire.<BR/><BR/>Ah well...it looks like we have a 2-way contest for another few weeks or months.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-19504210617262484382008-01-09T16:43:00.000-05:002008-01-09T16:43:00.000-05:00Villager,The people who are polled are different f...Villager,<BR/><BR/>The people who are polled are different from the people who vote. <BR/><BR/>It's illegal to do entrance polls, so it's not a matter of 'lying' to reporters and doing something else.<BR/><BR/>And the exit polls also did not ask who people voted for -- only what 'issues' they thought were important.<BR/><BR/>That's why election polls suck. It doesn't separate the vast amount of armchair crap-talkers from real voters.SheCodeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16781431886213930930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-66196620014833713082008-01-09T14:37:00.000-05:002008-01-09T14:37:00.000-05:00Jennifer - The link you provided to the Maureen Do...<B>Jennifer</B> - The link you provided to the <A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/09/opinion/08dowd.html" REL="nofollow">Maureen Dowd editorial</A> was right on point. Thank you for sharing it with us!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-28230555519587724242008-01-09T00:41:00.000-05:002008-01-09T00:41:00.000-05:00White Sepulchre - The returns are in and Barack Ob...<B>White Sepulchre</B> - The returns are in and Barack Obama lost (sigh)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-4441291581157211892008-01-09T00:40:00.000-05:002008-01-09T00:40:00.000-05:00Shelia - Very disappointing night. Obama gave a g...<B>Shelia</B> - Very disappointing night. Obama gave a good concession speech ... but, I have an empty feeling after this primary ... much different than after the Iowa caucus results came across the screen.<BR/><BR/>The bad thing is that in a few hours I'll be on NPR News & Notes on the Blogger Roundtable ... and the NH election results are part of the discussion (sigh).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-30395544360171979302008-01-08T22:46:00.000-05:002008-01-08T22:46:00.000-05:00Villagers - I imagine that I need to give up my bu...<B>Villagers</B> - I imagine that I need to give up my budding career as a political pundit. New Hampshire voters apparently were willing to tell pollsters one thing yesterday ... but, then they went behind the curtain at their voting booth and voted a different way.<BR/><BR/>Why? Could it be that the emotional, tearful, crocodile tears moment was enough to get women in New Hampshire to come out in droves to vote for their sista gal?<BR/><BR/>Why? Could it be ol' school politics where white folks simply couldn't pull the ballot handle for a Black candidate?<BR/><BR/>Why? Could it be that New Hampshire simply loves Bill Clinton so much?<BR/><BR/>I dunno ... I do know that I'm very disappointed at this particular moment ... Nevada is next...then South Carolina.<BR/><BR/>Hillary evidently is still up & kicking...<BR/><BR/>peace, VillagerAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-24842525941913014022008-01-08T22:09:00.000-05:002008-01-08T22:09:00.000-05:00Whatever else Hillary did with those tears, she ra...Whatever else Hillary did with those tears, she raised either the love or ire in people. I'm watching the New Hampshire election returns right now, very interesting.<BR/><BR/>I'll check in tomorrow,<BR/><BR/>SheliaSheliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280487267612661372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-34847320959524290212008-01-08T21:58:00.000-05:002008-01-08T21:58:00.000-05:00Hotep Villager ! Greetings from Texas, and thanks ...Hotep Villager ! <BR/><BR/>Greetings from Texas, and thanks for the comments on my site. <BR/>With about 52% of the New Hampshire precincts reporting, The Hildabeest is ahead 39% to 37%. That's less than 5,000 votes. <BR/>It ain't over. Don't sell your prophetic powers short. If Obama wins that state by even one vote, it's a massive upset. <BR/><BR/>-Whited SepulchreThe Whited Sepulchrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17657366124122012622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-69695569072917542982008-01-08T15:49:00.000-05:002008-01-08T15:49:00.000-05:00PZ - I notice that I get teary-eyed at the movies ...<B>PZ</B> - I notice that I get teary-eyed at the movies much more as I get older. It happens almost anytime that I see a movie with father-child relationship. I'm told that I should bring some kleenix when I go see Will Smith in the Happyness movie (smile).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-44408840019443741202008-01-08T13:31:00.000-05:002008-01-08T13:31:00.000-05:00I'm about as far as it gets from being a Hillary s...I'm about as far as it gets from being a Hillary supporter, and her tears may or may not be real, but your comment struck a chord with me, because tears aren't a sign of weakness. <BR/>We could use more tolerance for emotion in this society. It would encourage honesty, and help folks to come away from the usual defensive, poker face posture that keeps them from being real with themselves. Far too many people repress emotion to the detriment of themselves and others. <BR/>Emotions come out one way or another. It's best when passion doesn't come out as displaced warfare that could have been released the natural way by woman or man: through the tearducts.<BR/><BR/>Saul Williams says it best:<BR/><BR/>'Vulnerability is power'<BR/><BR/>Peace<BR/>~~~~~~~*<BR/>PZPurpleZoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15194302701364476475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-62251045308411129442008-01-08T12:21:00.000-05:002008-01-08T12:21:00.000-05:00Carla - Perhaps you are right ... however, percept...<B>Carla</B> - Perhaps you are right ... however, perception is reality ... and Clinton spent many months (years) showing us that she is TOUGH and READY. <BR/><BR/>Many people talk about the <A HREF="http://www.thehillaryiknow.com/" REL="nofollow">Hillary that they know</A> who is different from the personna that is in the public eye. <BR/><BR/>For what it's worth ... I would have voted for Hillary Clinton if Barack Obama wasn't running. In fact, it wasn't until reading his first book that I made my decision to support Obama. They are both worthy candidates ... my hope is that whichever one loses will rally around the victor. At all costs, we need to replace Bush and his policies.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-76774797440520586332008-01-08T12:17:00.000-05:002008-01-08T12:17:00.000-05:00Eddie - The road is still long for Obama. He has ...<B>Eddie</B> - The road is still long for Obama. He has to remain hungry and humble on the rest of the campaign towards the nomination.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-54535381982812564472008-01-08T12:16:00.000-05:002008-01-08T12:16:00.000-05:00Anon - You posted twice and neither of them will b...<B>Anon</B> - You posted twice <B>and neither of them will be deleted by me</B>! (smile)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-50774893567748766532008-01-08T12:15:00.000-05:002008-01-08T12:15:00.000-05:00Yobachi - My bad ... I thought that the target was...<B>Yobachi</B> - My bad ... I thought that the target was yesterday (Monday). I'll remove the badge from my sidebar.<BR/><BR/><B>Anon</B> - My point in the post is that there are eerily similiar historical comparisons between Hillary's emotional breakdown and that of Edmund Muskie many years ago. History tells us that Muskie fell from front-runner to also-ran after the crying incident. He was perceived as being too weak for the office. Will the same thing happen to Hillary Clinton? Those I've talked with say that she never should have been caught crying on video. If she was tired ... she should have rested. Now, it is too late. The next primary is South Carolina. She is likely to lose that state by over 20%. The dynamics changed dramatically in this nomination process from last Thursday (Iowa) to today ... don't you agree?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-87977962576143316822008-01-08T12:08:00.000-05:002008-01-08T12:08:00.000-05:00You're not alone Carla...I agree with you. Maybe ...You're not alone Carla...I agree with you. Maybe more real emotion and less false bravado is what we need.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-88960346364723321072008-01-08T12:00:00.000-05:002008-01-08T12:00:00.000-05:00I may be a lone voice here, but I expected this to...I may be a lone voice here, but I expected this to be an issue (not here particularly), but from the media. I am all for Obama Barack, and he is getting my vote. However, if he was not in the race, my vote would be going to Hillary. <BR/><BR/>I don't particularly like the game of politics. I don't like what I'm seeing. I don't like the tactics that Hillary is now pulling, yet I feel that she is out of desperation. It doesn't make it right or acceptable, it just is what it is. I believe as have been said here that the tears were probably not real and were used after the "likable" thing came out. Afterall, it's politics (I'm still not a fan). Yet, on the other hand, let's just say that the tears were genuine and real. Why does that make her, or anyone, WEAK? Why is it WEAK to show emotions and to show that you are really a human being who has feelings? Why does that make one incapable of running a country?<BR/><BR/>Perhaps her husband should have cried more while he was in office (I'm sure he wasn't crying during the days of Monica and the unfaithfulness, shame, and hurt he brought to his wife). Perhaps Bush should be crying a river for all of the misery that he has brought to this entire country.<BR/><BR/>The emotions and tears shows that there is a human being under all of that tough exterior. It doesn't mean that one cannot successfully do a job. It shows that a person cares and is passionate.<BR/><BR/>CarlaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-33422181663152611392008-01-08T11:47:00.000-05:002008-01-08T11:47:00.000-05:00One of the side-effects of a long grueling campaig...One of the side-effects of a long grueling campaign is seeing who "cracks" first. Whether staged "tears" to show her human side or whether the media "over-played" her whimper, the America people have been watching each candidate for signs of weakness. Acknowledge it or not, we have a strange measure in accessing "strength"... nothing personal... just another perception that helps us form our judgment.Eddie G. Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13283895629656619113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-9444848932446494502008-01-08T11:03:00.000-05:002008-01-08T11:03:00.000-05:00Ok, I am an Obama supporter and I do not even shar...Ok, I am an Obama supporter and I do not even share the same ethnic background. In my mind, he is the best person to lead our country and my vote will go to him. <BR/><BR/>Still, don't you think you and the media are exaggerating with the "crying jag" description?<BR/><BR/>As for whether or not she cried to know her husband was unfaithful, I'm sure that most men/women would cry for that. Those who are unfaithful bear the shame. Don't shake your stick because you are not blame free on that count (as you yourself said on this blog). I'm sure you will delete this post, but I had to say it.<BR/><BR/>Obama in 2008 and for the next 8 years!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-13091201443644231322008-01-08T11:02:00.000-05:002008-01-08T11:02:00.000-05:00Ok, I am an Obama supporter and I do not even shar...Ok, I am an Obama supporter and I do not even share the same ethnic background. In my mind, he is the best person to lead our country and my vote will go to him. <BR/><BR/>Still, don't you think you and the media are exaggerating with the "crying jag" description?<BR/><BR/>As for whether or not she cried to know her husband was unfaithful, I'm sure that most men/women would cry for that. Those who are unfaithful bear the shame. Don't shake your stick because you are not blame free on that count (as you yourself said on this blog. I'm sure you will delete this post, but I had to say it.<BR/><BR/>Obama in 2008 and for the next 8 years!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-44258670513254689552008-01-08T09:51:00.000-05:002008-01-08T09:51:00.000-05:00Hey Villager, you know we haven't officially launc...Hey Villager, you know we haven't officially launched that Proud Black Voter site right? Check with Mrs.G, but I believe it's still under construction. <BR/><BR/>We were going to do the press release next monday.Yobachihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16151249328042613857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-34997140382933728892008-01-08T08:36:00.000-05:002008-01-08T08:36:00.000-05:00BHC - Given a choice between the dysfunctional mar...<B>BHC</B> - Given a choice between the dysfunctional marriage of Bill & Hillary Clinton and the marriage of Barack & Michelle Clinton ... methinks that Barack & Michelle will win out as our choice for the next First Family!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-69619209031669680392008-01-08T06:42:00.000-05:002008-01-08T06:42:00.000-05:00I bet she didn't cry when she found out. I have a ...I bet she didn't cry when she found out. I have a feeling she was used to his philandering by then.Bohemian Chickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15303759600777955615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-23968436336198279702008-01-08T02:47:00.000-05:002008-01-08T02:47:00.000-05:00BHC - I wonder if she cried when she learned about...<B>BHC</B> - I wonder if she cried when she learned about Bill Clinton's infidelity?<BR/><BR/><B>Ms. Grapevine</B> - It ain't good to be Hillary Clinton if you're being compared to Howard Dean (smile)<BR/><BR/><B>Whited Sepulchre</B> - Methinks that she will lose in South Carolina by over 20 points (smile).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.com