tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post1947503291457443489..comments2024-01-30T11:14:25.598-05:00Comments on Electronic Village: How To Market Your Blog in 2008Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-74929589959606660782008-02-03T16:13:00.000-05:002008-02-03T16:13:00.000-05:00Marleaux - Thanx for the tip on TeamSugar.com. I'...<B>Marleaux</B> - Thanx for the tip on TeamSugar.com. I'll head over to check 'em out. Thanx for sharing your <I>village voice</I> with us...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-87513047945800482732008-02-03T15:37:00.000-05:002008-02-03T15:37:00.000-05:00Wow, these are some really good tips. I also use ...Wow, these are some really good tips. I also use Teamsugar.com to promote my lil blog. They have a section called link love that allows users to link sites on the internet. Then other users can "heart" that link, which is shown on their page. I usually get about 8 hits a week from this, which is good for my blog. <BR/><BR/>I'm adding a few more of your ideas also. I'll be coming back for more links next weekend. Can't do them all in one day.Marleauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13704327925911836523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-77673325394719746012008-01-22T06:31:00.000-05:002008-01-22T06:31:00.000-05:00Haqikah - Asante sana! I hope you find reason to ...<B>Haqikah</B> - Asante sana! I hope you find reason to visit with us often in the future.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-24246972209993094682008-01-21T23:06:00.000-05:002008-01-21T23:06:00.000-05:00Great advice!www.IGotUGGs.comwww.BehindtheApproval...Great advice!<BR/><BR/>www.IGotUGGs.com<BR/>www.BehindtheApprovalMatrix.comtheceelisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05683625513712156659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-27025808020756984962008-01-18T09:13:00.000-05:002008-01-18T09:13:00.000-05:00Katch Up - Persistence is a good habit in real lif...<B>Katch Up</B> - Persistence is a good habit in real life and in blogging. Good point!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-25713568494612949122008-01-18T04:10:00.000-05:002008-01-18T04:10:00.000-05:00That's very helpful. I have especially discovered ...That's very helpful. I have especially discovered the power behind persistence, consistency, treating one subject expertly and following up on comments.<BR/><BR/>Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-89142604413979654352008-01-09T08:23:00.000-05:002008-01-09T08:23:00.000-05:00Eb the Celeb - Excellent. You are implementing Ti...<B>Eb the Celeb</B> - Excellent. You are implementing <I>Tip #8</I> re: contests. I'll head over to your blog and participate in your contest right away. Let us know how it turns out.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-76082006850248646222008-01-09T08:14:00.000-05:002008-01-09T08:14:00.000-05:00I just implemented the contest one on www.sportz-n...I just implemented the contest one on www.sportz-n-albumcutz.blogspot.com<BR/><BR/>i already scour other blogs and comment. I love doing that anyway, and realized a month or 2 ago how much traffic that brings not from the person who's blog it was but more so the other people that read and comment as well. Thanks again for these!!!Eb the Celebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12920888116302185562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-24887039446748583352008-01-08T02:58:00.000-05:002008-01-08T02:58:00.000-05:00Trula - Point well taken. Are you interested in l...<B>Trula</B> - Point well taken. Are you interested in learning where your blog(s) stand in the <B>Black Blog Rankings</B>?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-21475529441692469622008-01-07T19:49:00.000-05:002008-01-07T19:49:00.000-05:00Hi Villager, see I didn't even notice it was writ...Hi Villager, see I didn't even notice it was written by Tony Hung. That's very important to know, however the similarities between your article and his remain remarkable. I do hope in the future you choose not to copy others' work.<BR/><BR/>I will try to elaborate on what I mean by saying you did your readers a disservice. You wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>and most of us do not click thru when given that option.</I><BR/><BR/>How do you know this? Is it not better to give your readers the option at least? When you assume what a black blogger will or will not do, you are denying us the same equality and attention you say we aren't getting. A clear link specifying exactly what the location is will get clicked on by interested people, black, white or of other race/ethnicity.<BR/><BR/>I also feel you did yourself and readers a disservice because the way the article was originally posted, people thought you wrote it and thus asked you even more questions about pro-blogging. Which you could not answer, because, as you have stated a few times in this comment thread, you are not a problogger. I would hate to see you feel compelled to rip off problogger.net (or any other blog) in the future in an attempt to answer the many questions raised by this post. If you give clear credit upfront, then people know where to go to get answers, and you can write about your blog's focus without the added pressure of trying to write (or copy) posts outside your area of expertise.<BR/><BR/>I appreciate the changes you made, that makes authorship of the original post clear.Trulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15747934288312884976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-53496232950104163752008-01-07T17:44:00.000-05:002008-01-07T17:44:00.000-05:00Darren - Your post was very educational and helpfu...<B>Darren</B> - Your post was very educational and helpful. I appreciate the time, talent and effort that you've taken in educating this <I>young pup</I> of a blogger. I'll keep your guidance in mind as I continue to evolve as a blogger.<BR/><BR/>peace, VillagerAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-8833094582582357032008-01-07T17:09:00.000-05:002008-01-07T17:09:00.000-05:00Villager - as I said, I do appreciate the link. I ...Villager - as I said, I do appreciate the link. I think that my concern wasn't that you didn't link, or that the link wasn't big enough in font size - it was that in saying that my post inspired yours you give the impression that you read mine and that that drew you to come up with your own 42 points.<BR/><BR/>In terms of the blogging ettiquette that you might have broken - I guess it comes down to being very clear about what you wrote or came up with and what others came up with. <BR/><BR/>Here's how I go about it - I hope this helps:<BR/><BR/>1. If a post inspires me to write a post that is on a similar topic but which I come up with my own points for I'll link to it in a similar way to you in this post.<BR/><BR/>2. If a post inspires me to write a post but I use that other person's work as a skeleton of my own post (ie I use all there points) I say this in the post (I'd probably say something like this - "I read an article written last year by Tony Hung that I found quite inspiring. It helped me a lot so I thought I'd share it's main points here with you. Below you'll find Tony's 42 points with a few of my own comments attatched. I hope it will hel you improve your blog's rankings in 2008."<BR/><BR/>If I did this I would then attempt to only use the other post's headings of points and then for each one come up with something original and unique to say about them rather than just regurgitating or copying what the other person said.<BR/><BR/>3. If I copy and paste a part of the post (I generally only do this with a paragraph or two unless I get permssion first) I will always put it in "quotation markes" and usually introduce that quote with something like 'Tony writes - " ". This makes it completely clear that I did not write that part of the post but that someone else did.<BR/><BR/>4. If I wanted people to read the points that the other person made but didn't have anything original to add to it I would simply write a post that linked to it, perhaps used one quote and recommended readers go to that blog to read the full post. This would achieve the objective of teaching your readers without republishing something that someone else had written.<BR/><BR/>As I say - this is just how I go about it and I'm sure other bloggers have other methods - however the general principles that I see most bloggers operating by include what I've attempted to outline above.<BR/><BR/>As I said in my previous comment - my reaction to your post was that it comes off as saying that you were inspired to write this post by Tony's, but that you came up with the ideas in this post. This was reinforced by the comments of readers all congratulating YOU for the wisdom of the article.<BR/><BR/>Yes, they learned something and that is fantastic - however I guess I would have just appreciated the article more if you'd been clearer in your introduction and actually added something of your own experience of blogging to the article.<BR/><BR/>For me it's not about how many visitors you send (although i did check and you sent 3) - its about being transparent.<BR/><BR/>I hope that this adds to the conversation and learning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-23037442129272481892008-01-07T11:56:00.000-05:002008-01-07T11:56:00.000-05:00Lol EV - frankly I see it as good for both of ya'l...Lol EV - frankly I see it as good for both of ya'll. You helped a lot of readers and he gained in readers. I added his blog to my bookmarks. If it wasn't for your post I would not even know that his blog existed. <BR/><BR/>So for the Anon that is saying that we shouldn't thank you - I believe thanks ARE in order for providing more resources [his blog] than what we had before.<BR/><BR/>And I agree with you on the fact that some readers do not click the links. You can provide a thousand links but some readers just aren't going to click through it because they don't know what they are clicking and they want to stay on the same page. <BR/><BR/>And I'm still a little insulted by anon's comment about how it's not work to compile a lot of articles into one place [my whole blog is based off of compilation of news articles/profiles] - I beg to differ - it take work [whether it's a large or small amount] to research these things and put it out for your readers. We don't know what EV does when he's thinking of things to post - he probably rewrote the whole thing but decided that it was just one of those articles that does not need to be altered. [That's a real compliment!]<BR/><BR/>Either way - recognition was done. I recognize that BOTH authors [EV and Darren] are great bloggers. <BR/><BR/>Sorry again for offending anybody!Deidrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09846474311175471860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-25081114053532905472008-01-07T11:38:00.000-05:002008-01-07T11:38:00.000-05:00Deidra - If I go missing in the next couple of wee...<B>Deidra</B> - If I go <A HREF="http://blackandmissing.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">missing</A> in the next couple of weeks ... refer folks from the FBI, Homeland Security, Obama's campaign staff ... and anyone else that might be looking to this thread of comments (smile).<BR/><BR/>I learned a long time ago not to sweat the small stuff. I'm comfortable that I did the right thing with my post ... and quite honestly ... I'm honored that Darren Rowse took the time to visit. He is one of the highest-paid bloggers in history. I imagine that I've become one of his favorite African American bloggers (smile again)!<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, thanx for having my back.<BR/><BR/>peace, VillagerAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-64697060684929462452008-01-07T11:34:00.000-05:002008-01-07T11:34:00.000-05:00Anon - You ask me to make a promise to my readers....<B>Anon</B> - You ask me to make a promise to my readers. Please don't confuse my blog with some commercial enterprise. I own this blog. I owned it when I had no readers and I own it at my current level of readership. Frankly, I'll own it when I have zero readers again if those that visit this <I>village</I> don't feel it worthy of visiting any longer.<BR/><BR/>You can call this a <I>spam blog</I> if you like. I imagine that hurling such hateful names is something that is easy to do as an <B>"anonymous"</B> comment-maker. <BR/><BR/>I appreciate you taking time to share your <I>village voice</I>. However, my readers know by the daily vibe that is given ... that it is my intention to provide information that is uplifting to people of African descent.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I have more respect for Darren and Trula who shared their comments, critique and disappointment openly. Getting comments, critique and disappoitnment shared by <B>'Anonymous'</B> simply doesn't mean as much to me...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-29701290076829946592008-01-07T11:28:00.000-05:002008-01-07T11:28:00.000-05:00Trula - My original version did have a Click here ...<B>Trula</B> - My original version did have a <I>Click here for the rest of the article</I> ... however, the reality is that Black Blogs, such as my <I>Electronic Village</I> need the information ... and most of us <B>do not click thru</B> when given that option. As such, I used valuable blog space ... and time ... to list the points I thought were salient in full. However, Trula, I also provided a link to the post that inspired me in the first place.<BR/><BR/>I accept your critique. However, I'm glad to know that there are a bunch of brothers and sisters who now have access to the information. At the end of the day ... isn't that the point?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-3669103804912641682008-01-07T11:25:00.000-05:002008-01-07T11:25:00.000-05:00Anon - Thanks for the spelling bee lesson on the p...<B>Anon</B> - Thanks for the spelling bee lesson on the p-word. Hopefully, you noticed in the first few sentences of the post that I gave credit to the inspiration for the post and shared a link to the original posting as well. <BR/><BR/>In any case, I always smile when people use the <B>Anonymous</B> option to be critical. <BR/><BR/>Is this your first time visiting our <I>village</I>? If so, welcome. I hope you come back often...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-6461692413370269712008-01-07T11:22:00.000-05:002008-01-07T11:22:00.000-05:00Darren - You've hit on the key point ... I gave cl...<B>Darren</B> - You've hit on the key point ... I gave clear credit, inclusive of a link, to the source of the inspiration. As stated, I'm not a professional blogger. I do this for fun. I try to share information that is helpful to people of African descent. I thought that those 42 tips were helpful to people of African descent. <BR/><BR/>I'm uncertain what blogger etiquette I violated. I would guess that traffic to your blog increased (albeitly miniscullay compared to your loft position as one of the most well-paid bloggers on earth). I figure that more people of African descent are aware of you today than were aware of you last week. <BR/><BR/>Those seem like good things. <BR/><BR/>Darren, my sense is that you've looked through other posts that I've made over the past months (I started blogging on 1/13/2007). You'll see that I regularly give a hat-tip (we use the term <B>'drumbeats</B>) to the source of material that I use ... as I did for this post.<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, I appreciate your comments ... and those of your fans. My hope is that you/your fans will look at the totality of my work as a blogger and offer constructive suggestions for ways that I can improve ... as you've done in your comments on this post.<BR/><BR/>I'm not in Australia often ... but, if I ever make the trip, I look foward to meeting you.<BR/><BR/>peace, VillagerAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-46209677569497506222008-01-07T10:32:00.000-05:002008-01-07T10:32:00.000-05:00He was obviously not clear enough, given that the ...He was obviously not clear enough, given that the majority of his commenters have thanked HIM for compiling the list, thanking HIM for "the work" to do so (which he didn't do), and so on.<BR/><BR/>Had he been clear in the beginning that he got the post in it's entirety from another site, and given a better link explanation of WHO DID THE WORK, then maybe it wouldn't be such an issue.<BR/><BR/>Also, as you can see, the original author (Darren) is a lot nicer than his fans are being about this. Don't spite him for the words of his fans. <BR/><BR/>Bottom line here is courtesy. Copying and pasting, and simply re-arranging the list was a clear attempt at trying to get by under the plagiarism radar - and it failed him miserably. He's tried to pawn this off as his own, original thought and work, and it isn't. Admit it, apologize, fix it, and move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-14801815509612545972008-01-07T10:22:00.000-05:002008-01-07T10:22:00.000-05:00You know what? I don't care if Electronic Village ...You know what? I don't care if Electronic Village redid the whole article, post a paragraph and linked back to the article, or post the article and provided a link to it - it's still a great resource. <BR/><BR/>He could've very well rewritten the whole thing but it's already fine the way it is so why rewrite it? This isn't college - you're not going to get suspended for sharing information. You can copy and paste whole articles and link back to it [as far as I'm concerned - I see several blogs post whole articles but nobody jump down their throats about it]. I was told that it was better to post the whole article and link back so that your readers do not have to venture off your page. That's just collecting resources on one site IMO - NOT copying. It's more about convenience to me. <BR/><BR/>So he posted a whole article one or a couple times in his whole blog career - what's wrong with that? I don't see where he claimed it as his own any where in this post. He said it inspired him to share the info - which is exactly what he did. <BR/><BR/>I really don't see why the writer of this article is upset about this - it's an honor to have someone link to you and use your articles for good. Whether he did little work or most of the work - he did what you wanted for your readers - provide tips to help them to become better bloggers. <BR/><BR/>P.S. Sorry if I offended anybody but I don't think we should call him a plagiarizer just for posting a whole article [A GREAT ONE i might add] and linking back to it rather than put it in his own words.Deidrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09846474311175471860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-31642443589099578832008-01-07T10:15:00.000-05:002008-01-07T10:15:00.000-05:00Extremely disheartening when someone proclaims the...Extremely disheartening when someone proclaims they are innocent in behavior that is clearly fraudulent like copying and pasting and calling it inspiration and original. <BR/><BR/>Darren is original and inspiring. You are thoughtless and greedy, using another person's time and hard work for your own benefit. It's sickening, and I'm glad someone reported you as a spam blog, because this post is a clear representation of what a spam blog is all about.<BR/><BR/>You should truly be ashamed of yourself. Especially for trying to defend your actions after you've been so vividly called on the carpet.<BR/><BR/>Why not be a man and own up to your mistakes, and make a promise to yourself and your readers that you'll not be so disrespectful (to them, and those you steal content from) in the future?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-88653892758693111042008-01-07T08:33:00.000-05:002008-01-07T08:33:00.000-05:00Electronic Village, you did yourself and your read...Electronic Village, you did yourself and your readers a big disservice by the way you copied and posted Darren Rowse's article. It really does read as if you wrote it yourself. The entire thing is copied. I get that your intention was genuine though. A simple way to avoid confusion is, you could have pasted a paragraph from his article with a '<A HREF="http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/01/11/how-to-market-your-blog-in-2007/" REL="nofollow">Read More at Problogger.net</A>' link rather than copy and past the whole thing. <BR/><BR/>I have visited your site often and know you are able to write compelling content without copying.Trulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15747934288312884976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-41592486328113619522008-01-07T08:19:00.000-05:002008-01-07T08:19:00.000-05:00Wikipedia defines plagiarism (http://en.wikipedia....Wikipedia defines plagiarism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism) as "the practice of claiming or implying original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgement." This is clearly the case in this case. Most of this has been copied from http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/01/11/how-to-market-your-blog-in-2007/.<BR/><BR/>To avoid plagiarism in future, you need to make it clear what is yours and what has been copied from somebody else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-23087530938823090882008-01-07T07:55:00.000-05:002008-01-07T07:55:00.000-05:00@Villager - you did give some credit on some level...@Villager - you did give some credit on some level - but to be honest I'm not sure you were terribly explicit.<BR/><BR/>You write:<BR/><BR/>"I read an article last year that inspired me to share similiar information with villagers in 2008."<BR/><BR/>Ok - you did read the article on ProBlogger and it might have inpired you - but it does come across as though it inspired you to come up with the following 42 points. You don't say anywhere in the post that every idea in your post was inspired by the post on ProBlogger, that you copied and pasted parts of the article etc.<BR/><BR/>Looking at the comments of this post it seems like the vast majority of those who've left comments see this post as your work. <BR/><BR/>"Thats an awesome work...All good tips gathered at one place..Thanks for the work"<BR/><BR/>"This entry is an UNBELIEVABLE resource! Thanks for putting all of these great tips in one place!"<BR/><BR/>"I'm not sure how you put all of this incredible information together Villager, but I believe I can speak on behalf of most us in the afrosphere, we're eternally grateful."<BR/><BR/>These are just three of the first few commenters that all seem to be under the impression that you put a lot of work into this, gathered tips.....<BR/><BR/>This would have been a good time to clarify with your readers that perhaps it wasn't as much work as they might have thought and that someone else actually gathered the tips and put significant work into the post - but you neglect to do so.<BR/><BR/>While I don't really want to get too worked up about it I guess I wanted to clarify why I left my last comment and why others have not reacted so well to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6152307338772205194.post-29453488507239120062008-01-07T06:06:00.000-05:002008-01-07T06:06:00.000-05:00Deidra - Your willingness to review your blog metr...<B>Deidra</B> - Your willingness to review your blog metrics and to do self-analysis is important!<BR/><BR/>You asked <I>How do you make comments on your blog AND keep from having a biased or unpopular opinion that may potentially cause you to lose readers?</I><BR/><BR/>One of the top Black bloggers in the world is Pam Spaulding. She noted that it is critical for bloggers to find their <B>authentic voice</B>. As such, I would encourage you *not* to worry about offending your readers ... rather speak your mind; find your passion; use your authentic voice ... your readers will <B>feel you</B> if they know it is you. At the same time, you will receive comments ... and you can determine from the comments if your bold statements are being heard.<BR/><BR/>Go for it young sista!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05001965827509309490noreply@blogger.com